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TELECOM Digest Thu, 19 Jan 95 22:09:00 CST Volume 15 : Issue 49
Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
North Korea Holds US Representative Over $10K Phone Bill (Paul
Robinson)
Conference/Class/Training on Switching Technology? (shah@wg.com)
Inslaw and the United States Justice Department (Paul Robinson)
Remote Monitoring With Pagers (Cliff Scheller)
Looking for Fax-Related URLs (George Pajari)
Considering Purchasing an IVR System From InterVoice (Steve
Samler)
TNPP Standard Wanted (Marty Lawlor)
CID Question (Stan Schwartz)
Re: Programmable Touch-Tone Interpreter Needed (Paul A. Lee)
Re: Small Business PBX/Fax Back Server Needed (Paul A. Lee)
Flat Rate LD? (John McDermott)
Information Needed on Cebit (Mat Watkins)
Format of Telephone Number/Fax Numbers in Germany, France, UK (Tom
Barrett)
Re: Attention: 800 Number Subscribers (News Alert) (Judith
Oppenheimer)
91x (was: 911 Providers: Watch For 912 Calls) (Carl Moore)
Re: New Area Codes Working From Toronto (Michael King)
Re: Looking up Addresses and Numbers From Just Names (Wes
Leatherock)
Re: T1BBS Gone? (Jim Burkitt)
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:46:30 EST
From: Paul Robinson <paul@tdr.com>
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
Subject: North Korea Holds US Representative Over $10K Phone Bill
In Jack Anderson's column today, he reports that when Representative
Bill Richardson (D-New Mexico) tried to cross the DMZ (Demilitarized
Zone)
between North and South Korea, with the casket carrying the remains of
Chief Warrant Officer David Hilemon, North Korean officials refused to
let
him cross until the bill was paid.
In Cash.
"Although North Korea remains stauchly Communist, it showed a
decidedly
capialistic streak when it came to the phone bill." Anderson's column
reports. The U.S. Military and State Department gathered money from
government funds to pay the bill.
Because American companies are prohibited from doing business there,
no
telephone connections exist between the US and North Korea, so the 23
calls Richardson made to the State Department and to families of the
two
pilots in the downed aircraft had to be relayed throgh Canada at
significant expense. It is known the calls had to be made on nonsecure
phone lines and were almost certainly recorded by the North Koreans.
New
trade agreements will allow phone links to be opened by the end of the
month.
Richardson's involvement in the incident was a fortunate coincidence
as he was there to discuss the issue of North Korean posession of
Nuclear Weapons. His intervention is also credited in preventing
copilot Bobby Hill from suffering starvation, beating and torture, and
in helping to secure his release.
$10,000 is about eight times North Korea's per capita yearly income.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: They don't need any collection agencies
over there do they? Just keep the people there until they pay their
bills. Remind me not to go visit there anytime soon! I would never get
back home. <g> PAT]
------------------------------
From: shah@wg.com
Subject: Conference/Class/Training on Switching Technology?
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 14:26:02 PDT
Organization: Wandel & Goltermann Technologies
Folks,
I am looking for a training/conference/formal class on switching
technology. If any of you know of some good place -- PLEASE let me
know directly as I don't read this newsgroup too often.
The main focus is on learning what/how/who/testing of the switching
technology. This may involve either a general overview or specific to
Ethernet or Token Ring or ATM etc.
Thank you,
Ajay (shah@wg.com)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:39:05 EST
From: Paul Robinson <paul@tdr.com>
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
Subject: Inslaw and the United States Justice Department
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This was sent to Paul, and he is
passing it along to us. Nothing new here, we discussed this a couple
years ago in the Digest. PAT]
> I cought the end of an NPR story on Inslaw. I thought this would
> be the place to find out about it. The story was a little shocking
> to say the least. Had Big-Bro stamped on it.
Inslaw was the name of a company that developed a computer program
called Promis, to manage caselaw for the Department of Justice until,
in the words of a Bankruptcy Court Judge, "The Department of Justice
used its ability to withhold payments in a deliberate effort to drive
Inslaw into bankruptcy, and to steal the Promis software from Inslaw."
Another court discarded the bankruptcy court's decision saying it
lacked the power to impose punitive damages for driving someone into
bankruptcy.
A reporter was investigating this issue, when he was found dead in a
motel room in West Virginia, under suspicious circumstances, which the
local police conveniently called 'suicide'.
This is the same organization that is supposed to investigate
allegations
of unauthorized possession of copyrighted software, that is itself
believed to be the largest pirator of software in the government.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oh sure, we knew this. The US
Department
of Justice is one of the most corrupt organizations anywhere. Pirated
software, murders labeled 'suicide', bribery, its all routine for
'Justice',
an oddly named organization if there ever was one. We discussed the
Inslaw matter here about two years ago. Another of their gimmicks
reminds
me of the late J. Edgar Hoover, for many years director of the FBI: A
closet homosexual, he found out which other top government executives
were
the 'same way' and then he blackmailed them; threatened them with
exposure
if they did not run things the way he liked. Today's Justice
Department
is much the same. For instance, for how many ever years it was known
in
certain circles that a federal judge -- a black judge in fact, but I
won't
say his name, why bother now -- was a pedophile. One day investigators
snooping around in the judge's chambers found enough evidence to send
the
judge away to prison for a long time; i.e. kiddy porn stuff. Instead a
'key Justice Department person' (at the time, several years ago) sat
down
and had a chat with the judge. For years after that, anytime the
department
had a pornography through the mail case or they wanted to prosecute on
interstate pornography charges, or violations of the Mann Act or
similar,
guess which judge always somehow got the cases assigned to him. Guess
how
he always ruled. The IRS operates the same way. They find a federal
judge
who himself was -- to put it kindly -- lax and careless about properly
paying his own taxes. They have a little chat, and then they use that
judge for all their 'tax resistor' cases. Not bad, huh! PAT]
------------------------------
From: cliffsch@netcom.com (Cliff Scheller)
Subject: Remote Monitoring With Pagers
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700
guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:20:55 GMT
Did you know that a PBX can send text messages to any Alpha Pager?
( ...alot of your other equipment can, too!)
AlphaSense is a standalone electronic product which is easily
connected to
many different types of equipment or machinery to provide an
unattended
monitoring function. When user-specified conditions occur, it
automatically
creates and delivers text messages to any alpha pager(s). A trusted
resource in many industries, it can also _selectively forward_ data
from your computerized or other automation devices to people's pagers.
Use it to monitor PBX's, CSU's, network servers, fire panels, HVAC
systems, water levels, machine operation, security systems, etc.
Internal "UPS" gives continued operation if power fails. Eight sensor
inputs, power fail/restore monitoring & self-test messages.
Plus, its RS-232 serial port connects to printers, computers and other
automation equipment. AlphaSense will monitor data streams, watching
for user-specified keywords. When received, they "trigger" AlphaSense,
and it can then forward data directly from your data source to Pagers!
Forward error messages, email, instructions, financial data, etc.
Dial-back mode for remote teleservice use, activity history log and
many other features!
For more info, send email to compuquest-request@netcom.com with
only these two lines as the message body:
SEND ASINFO
...or ftp to: ftp.netcom.com, in directory /ftp/pub/cl/cliffsch
------------------------------
From: pajari@Faximum.COM (George Pajari)
Subject: Looking for Fax-Related URLs
Reply-To: faxfaq@Faximum.COM (FAQ Comments)
Organization: Faximum Software, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:35:32 GMT
The FAQ for comp.dcom.fax is currently being rewritten in HTML and
will shortly be available for Web browsing.
To assist with this it would be appreciated if readers could forward
to
faxfaq@faximum.com any interesting fax or telco related URLs for
inclusion
in the "hyperFAQ".
I am particularly interested in Home Pages and FTP sites for vendors
of modems, fax boards, fax equipment, and fax software.
Your assistance is much appreciated.
(Should you wish to browse the current, flat text version of the fax
FAQ, please see ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/fax-
faq/part1
and part2.)
Regards,
pajari@Faximum.COM -*- Editor of the comp.dcom.fax FAQ
George Pajari / Faximum Software / Tel: +1 (604) 925-3600 / Fax: ...
926-8182
1497 Marine Drive, Suite 300 / West Vancouver, BC / Canada V7T 1B8
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:17:01 EST
From: Steve Samler <steve@individual.com>
Subject: Considering Purchasing an IVR System From InterVoice
Does anyone have any experience with these people (good, bad or
indifferent)?
Has anyone negotiated a price with these folks recently? How far can
I push them on price?
------------------------------
From: Marty Lawlor <mel@cci.com>
Subject: TNPP Standard Wanted
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc., D&OS
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 15:35:23 GMT
I have been unsuccessful locating a copy of the Telocator Network
Paging Protocol (TNPP) standard or specification. I believe it is
issued by POCSAG (Post Office Code Standards Advisory Group). This
may be a British organization.
I've called several standards jobbers (e.g., IHS) to no avail, and my
calls to Telocator: The Personal Communications Industry Assn have
gone unanswered.
This appears to be an ubiquitous (and, at least, American) de facto
standard for sending and receiving paging messages.
Any help in locating this would be greatly appreciated.
Marty Lawlor Northern Telecom
TEL: 716-654-2422 NET: mel@cci.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:58:40 EST
From: Stan Schwartz <stanschwartz-aviswizcom@e-mail.com>
Subject: CID Question
I have recently begun using TotalTel as a secondary LD carrier (by
signing up for secondary service and a calling card).
They had to add all the lines that I wanted to be able to access their
service (by using the 10081 prefix) before I was able to use them as a
secondary carrier.
One of the lines I added is in the 516-752 exchange, which has not
been
upgraded for CLASS (NYNEX PhoneSmart) services. Local (seven-digit)
calls from this number to CID-enabled areas of the LATA return "OUT OF
AREA" on the box on the receiving end.
HOWEVER ... if I dial 10081 + NPA + NXX + XXXX, the call is completed
with CID information provided at the receiving end! Any ideas on what
they are doing here?
On their 800 service, TotalTel also seems to translate the ANI of the
calling party and delivers it as CID information on the receiving end.
When I use their 800-number-access calling card, they also transmit
the ANI of the phone I'm calling from to CID at the other end. Kind
of neat, if you ask me!
Any thoughts on this?
Stan
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:27:47 -0500
From: Paul A. Lee </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com>
Organization: Woolworth Corporation
Subject: Re: Programmable Touch-Tone Interpreter Needed
In TELECOM Digest Volume 15 Issue 33, Jeffrey A. Porten
<jporten@mail1.
sas.upenn.edu> wrote (in part):
> I need help in coming up with a solution for a client. She wants to
> provide her incoming callers with a automated system that will allow
> them to schedule time with her by using a touch-tone phone, similar
to
> the system that Amtrak uses to tell people about the trains closest
to
> their selected travel time.
This is a description of 'classic' DTMF-driven interactive voice
response (IVR). Depending on the intricacy of the application(s), the
call volume to be handled, and the number of lines coming in, IVR can
run on anything from a $300 board in a PC up to large, proprietary,
multiprocessor boxes.
There are literally hundreds of manufacturers, integrators, software
developers, and VARs that do this for a living. Give some more details
on what call volume needs to be handled, what environment the system
must operate in, and what kind of budget you're working with, and I
should be able to point you in the right direction.
Paul A. Lee Voice 414 357-1409
Telecommunications Analyst FAX 414 357-1450
Woolworth Corporation CompuServe 70353,566
INTERNET </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com> <=PREFERRED
ADDRESS*
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:28:22 -0500
From: Paul A. Lee </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com>
Organization: Woolworth Corporation
Subject: Re: Small Business PBX/Fax Back Server Needed
In TELECOM Digest Volume 14 Issue 43, Jon Zeeff
<jon@server.branch.com>
wrote (in part):
> I'm looking for a PBX/Fax back/voice mail system that would do the
> following:
·
> Connect to approx 4 POTS lines for incoming calls and have various
> facilities when you call in.
> The more flexible and programmable, the better.
Check out the Dash Open Phone System. Dash is in Lenexa, KS; voice
phone is 800-844-7620 and Faxback is 913 888-7902.
Paul A. Lee Voice 414 357-1409
Telecommunications Analyst FAX 414 357-1450
Woolworth Corporation CompuServe 70353,566
INTERNET </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com> <=PREFERRED
ADDRESS*
------------------------------
From: jjm@usa.net (John McDermott/J-K International Limited)
Subject: Flat Rate LD?
Date: 19 Jan 1995 12:23:07 -0700
Organization: Internet Express (800-592-1240 customer service)
In another newsgroup I recently saw an ad for US$149 for all the Long
Distance I could use in a month. That could be a lot if I used it for
an Internet connection ... are such offers legit? Does anyone use
such a service, particularly for modem calls?
I know that "If it sounds too good to be true ...", but I have seen
things like this before, so I thought I'd ask.
Thanks,
john jjm@jkintl.com
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That particular offer which you saw in
'another newsgroup' was very questionable. There were a number of
eyebrows
raised partly because of things to do with how payment was to be
tendered
each month, etc. You used to be able to get flat rate packages for
WATS
and IN-WATS from AT&T a number of years ago. You bought a certain
number
of hours per month at a set price, but it did not come in the range of
$149.00. Maybe AT&T still sells WATS in blocks of time, I don't know.
PAT]
------------------------------
From: Mat Watkins <Mat.Watkins@vuw.ac.nz>
Subject: Information Needed on Cebit
Date: 19 Jan 1995 19:47:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New
Zealand.
Hi all,
I am wanting to go to Cebit this year. I have found out that it
starts on 8th March in Hanover but do not have any information on
registration etc.
Can anyboby help? Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Matt Victoria University of Wellington
------------------------------
From: tjbarre@srv.PacBell.COM (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Format of Telephone Number/Fax Numbers in Germany, France, UK
Date: 19 Jan 1995 20:50:47 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell
I've been asked about the format of telephone numbers and fax numbers
in the three countries above ... specifically if fax numbers in these
countries have different numbers of digits than a phone number in the
same locale?
Thanks in advance for any assistance,
tjb
------------------------------
From: producer@pipeline.com (Judith Oppenheimer)
Subject: Re: Attention: 800 Number Subscribers (News Alert)
Date: 19 Jan 1995 11:49:22 -0500
Organization: Interactive CallBrand(TM)
cmylod@nl.oracle.com (Colum Mylod) wrote:
> Dik.Winter@cwi.nl wrote:
>> Why would any European customer wish numbers like 800 THE CARD,
unless
>> they expect most of their traffic from the US?
>> In Europe letters are *not* used. And when they were used
assignment
>> was not identical to the US assignment. See the Telecom Archives
for
>> an article were I gave some European assignments.
> Ah but Dik, British Telecom intends to reintroduce letters in phone
> numbers (they've been on various phone units for a long while --
> imports mainly). Even in non-English Europe you'll see them back if
> for no other reason than introducing variety in freephone numbers.
> Currently a lot of European (monopoly) telcos issue patterned
numbers
> like <code> 123456 or 876 876 etc. Having letters ups the 'saleable"
> freephone number combinations.
Remember, too, that international freephone numbers will *co-exist*
with domestic toll-free numbers in the U.S..
So there will be 1 800 FLOWERS, and 011 800 FLOWERS, both of which can
be called and advertised within the United States, but which may reach
competing companies! (If not for European interest in these
opportunities,
grandfathering of U.S. numbers would not even be an issue.)
If the U.S. position, and U.S. Users Group Position, of grandfathering
existing U.S. 800 numbers is not aggressively supported by U.S. 800
subscribers, these companies will find they have a 50-50 chance of
winning -- or losing -- their branded number to a lottery, and
competition for the same customers and marketshare in the U.S., and
abroad.
> According to a brief glimpse I got at uk.telecom (is this available
> via listserv anyone?), BT will use the same letters-numbers pattern
as
> the Bell one but with Z added to the 9 key and Q on 0
The Q goes on the 7. The Z goes on the 9.
Judith Oppenheimer, Producer@Pipeline.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 23:19:09 GMT
From: Carl Moore <cmoore@ARL.MIL>
Subject: 91x (was: 911 Providers: Watch For 912 Calls)
sewilco@fieldday.mn.org (Scot E. Wilcoxon) writes:
> As has been reported before, some older switches will connect to 911
> when "91x" is dialed.
What areas would have this? Did this definition of 91x have to be
removed (except for 911) from some switches to accommodate N0X/N1X
prefixes? From what you have given me, I take it this problem might
still have to be considered in some places, even with area codes now
generalized.
Also, some area codes used the now-obsolete method of "area code +
seven digits" (no leading 1) to make long distance calls, and I take
it the above-mentioned switches did not occur in such areas. (For
example, 912-xxx-xxxx would have been used for calls to area 912 in
Georgia, and then 912 could not go to emergency services, barring some
messy timeout feature.)
------------------------------
From: an904@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael King)
Subject: Re: New Area Codes Working From Toronto
Date: 20 Jan 1995 02:24:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an904@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael King)
In a previous article, cmoore@ARL.MIL (Carl Moore) says:
> So you were able to get a Seattle number from 360 directory
assistance.
> Maybe 360-555-1212 is at least temporarily being routed identically
to
> 206-555-1212.
As of this evening (Thursday 1/19), only AC 334 was dialable from both
metro Atlanta (western 'burbs) and within the city of Atlanta proper.
Neither 360 nor 630 is accessable -- I get a "you do not need an area
code" message from here for both area codes when trying to get
directory
assistance.
Michael King -- General Manager WIGO/AM - Atlanta
Morning Talk Show Host & Chief Cook & Bottle Washer
------------------------------
From: wes.leatherock@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 20:03:15
Subject: Re: Looking up Addresses and Phone Number From Just Names
Quoting timb@europa.com (Tim Bach):
> I have a bunch of names I need addresses and phone numbers to.
> They are all mostly in the same local calling area. Is there a
> service or product I can buy that will allow me to take a ASCII
> file of names and have it try and lookup the addresses plus
> phone numbers?
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I don't know how many you think
> is a 'bunch', but unless it is really a lot, and you plan to do
> this on a frequent basis, why don't you ask the telco serving
> the local calling area for a copy of their directory. Most
> telcos will send it free of charge, or they may get some small
> handling/postage fee. Then you would sit there and look them up.
> After you have found all you can, then call AC-555-1212 for the
> (hopefully) few remaining names. PAT]
I would respectfully suggest that most telephone companies will
NOT give or send a directory free of charge; they haven't usually done
so since divestiture.
A biproduct, however, has been telephone directories on
microfiche.
I believe these were probably started -- or at least became popular --
when telephone companies stopped providing directories at no charge to
libraries.
The Oklahoma City Public Library used to have a very extensive
library of telephone directories from throughout the United States and
Canada, and pretty extensive coverage of the rest of the world.
They don't have those now, of course, since they can't afford
what it would cost (many thousand of dollars a month keeping them up
to date).
But they do have telephone directories from the United States
on microfiche, put out by a firm called University Microfilms, Inc.,
which I believe produces all kinds of useful microfiche.
The telephone directories on microfiche are available to all
users of the library at no charge, just like other materials, and
cover most of the United States (with the exception of some GTE
exchanges like the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater area).
Probably your library has those, too, and it would be quicker
and less hassle just to look them up there, unless your "bunch" is
really a huge number.
Wes Leatherock
wes.leatherock@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu
wes.leatherock@f2001.n147.z1.fidonet.org
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The Chicago Public Library has over a
hundred years of telephone directories from Chicago on microfilm put
out by the company you mentioned, University Microfilms of Ann Arbor,
Michigan. I don't know what connection they have with the University
of Michigan, if any. They also have the Haines Crisscross Directories
for Chicago going back about 40 years, and these can be very useful
tools when looking for people who were around long ago. CPL has all
the suburban phone books going back about 50-60 years also, both from
Illinois Bell and its predecessor Chicago Telephone Company as well as
Centel (which long ago was known as Central States Telephone Company.)
There used to be a publication called the 'Chicago City Directory' and
they have quite a few of those also from the past. Unfortunatly the
City Directory ceased publication in 1921. They have the actual 1921
book, but the years prior to that are on microfilm. PAT]
------------------------------
Date: 19 Jan 1995 15:26:15 GMT
From: JIM BURKIT <CCMAIL.JBURKITT@A50VM1.TRG.NYNEX.COM>
Subject: Re: T1BBS Gone?
Mark Fraser asked:
> Pat:
> It's been a while since I last tried, but both of the net addresses
> 192.187.216.5 and ....3 don't return a ping, nor respond to
telnet/ftp
> respectively. Likewise, phone calls to the previously published
modem
> numbers don't give much satisfaction.
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, I'm afraid I cannot be much
help
> on this personally. Maybe others have the answer. PAT]
The Committee T1 BBS moved in October 1994. I guess Pat doesn't
remember all the articles that he publishes as he did publish one
notice of the move. When T1BBS was moved a number of improvements
were made. The biggest one was upgrading from 9.6 Kb to 56 Kb
internet access.
T1BBS is a BBS that committee T1 uses to help it develop standards.
Anyone that has a interest in the Telecommunications standards that we
develop is allowed to use the system. The primary system uses PCBoard
software with a mirrored unix ftp site.
You can access the system by:
modem +1 202-639-4469
telnet telnet.t1.org
ftp ftp.t1.org
www www.t1.org (under construction)
The system operator can be reached at sysop@t1.org.
Note in the above site names that the number 1 is used not the letter
l.
I hope this helps.
Jim Burkitt T1X1 Chair
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No, unfortunatly I cannot nearly begin
to
remember all the articles which are published here unless I use the
index
to search through the titles, etc. PAT]
------------------------------
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TELECOM Digest Thu, 19 Jan 95 22:09:00 CST Volume 15 : Issue 49
Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
North Korea Holds US Representative Over $10K Phone Bill (Paul
Robinson)
Conference/Class/Training on Switching Technology? (shah@wg.com)
Inslaw and the United States Justice Department (Paul Robinson)
Remote Monitoring With Pagers (Cliff Scheller)
Looking for Fax-Related URLs (George Pajari)
Considering Purchasing an IVR System From InterVoice (Steve
Samler)
TNPP Standard Wanted (Marty Lawlor)
CID Question (Stan Schwartz)
Re: Programmable Touch-Tone Interpreter Needed (Paul A. Lee)
Re: Small Business PBX/Fax Back Server Needed (Paul A. Lee)
Flat Rate LD? (John McDermott)
Information Needed on Cebit (Mat Watkins)
Format of Telephone Number/Fax Numbers in Germany, France, UK (Tom
Barrett)
Re: Attention: 800 Number Subscribers (News Alert) (Judith
Oppenheimer)
91x (was: 911 Providers: Watch For 912 Calls) (Carl Moore)
Re: New Area Codes Working From Toronto (Michael King)
Re: Looking up Addresses and Numbers From Just Names (Wes
Leatherock)
Re: T1BBS Gone? (Jim Burkitt)
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:46:30 EST
From: Paul Robinson <paul@tdr.com>
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
Subject: North Korea Holds US Representative Over $10K Phone Bill
In Jack Anderson's column today, he reports that when Representative
Bill Richardson (D-New Mexico) tried to cross the DMZ (Demilitarized
Zone)
between North and South Korea, with the casket carrying the remains of
Chief Warrant Officer David Hilemon, North Korean officials refused to
let
him cross until the bill was paid.
In Cash.
"Although North Korea remains stauchly Communist, it showed a
decidedly
capialistic streak when it came to the phone bill." Anderson's column
reports. The U.S. Military and State Department gathered money from
government funds to pay the bill.
Because American companies are prohibited from doing business there,
no
telephone connections exist between the US and North Korea, so the 23
calls Richardson made to the State Department and to families of the
two
pilots in the downed aircraft had to be relayed throgh Canada at
significant expense. It is known the calls had to be made on nonsecure
phone lines and were almost certainly recorded by the North Koreans.
New
trade agreements will allow phone links to be opened by the end of the
month.
Richardson's involvement in the incident was a fortunate coincidence
as he was there to discuss the issue of North Korean posession of
Nuclear Weapons. His intervention is also credited in preventing
copilot Bobby Hill from suffering starvation, beating and torture, and
in helping to secure his release.
$10,000 is about eight times North Korea's per capita yearly income.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: They don't need any collection agencies
over there do they? Just keep the people there until they pay their
bills. Remind me not to go visit there anytime soon! I would never get
back home. <g> PAT]
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From: shah@wg.com
Subject: Conference/Class/Training on Switching Technology?
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 14:26:02 PDT
Organization: Wandel & Goltermann Technologies
Folks,
I am looking for a training/conference/formal class on switching
technology. If any of you know of some good place -- PLEASE let me
know directly as I don't read this newsgroup too often.
The main focus is on learning what/how/who/testing of the switching
technology. This may involve either a general overview or specific to
Ethernet or Token Ring or ATM etc.
Thank you,
Ajay (shah@wg.com)
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:39:05 EST
From: Paul Robinson <paul@tdr.com>
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
Subject: Inslaw and the United States Justice Department
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This was sent to Paul, and he is
passing it along to us. Nothing new here, we discussed this a couple
years ago in the Digest. PAT]
> I cought the end of an NPR story on Inslaw. I thought this would
> be the place to find out about it. The story was a little shocking
> to say the least. Had Big-Bro stamped on it.
Inslaw was the name of a company that developed a computer program
called Promis, to manage caselaw for the Department of Justice until,
in the words of a Bankruptcy Court Judge, "The Department of Justice
used its ability to withhold payments in a deliberate effort to drive
Inslaw into bankruptcy, and to steal the Promis software from Inslaw."
Another court discarded the bankruptcy court's decision saying it
lacked the power to impose punitive damages for driving someone into
bankruptcy.
A reporter was investigating this issue, when he was found dead in a
motel room in West Virginia, under suspicious circumstances, which the
local police conveniently called 'suicide'.
This is the same organization that is supposed to investigate
allegations
of unauthorized possession of copyrighted software, that is itself
believed to be the largest pirator of software in the government.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oh sure, we knew this. The US
Department
of Justice is one of the most corrupt organizations anywhere. Pirated
software, murders labeled 'suicide', bribery, its all routine for
'Justice',
an oddly named organization if there ever was one. We discussed the
Inslaw matter here about two years ago. Another of their gimmicks
reminds
me of the late J. Edgar Hoover, for many years director of the FBI: A
closet homosexual, he found out which other top government executives
were
the 'same way' and then he blackmailed them; threatened them with
exposure
if they did not run things the way he liked. Today's Justice
Department
is much the same. For instance, for how many ever years it was known
in
certain circles that a federal judge -- a black judge in fact, but I
won't
say his name, why bother now -- was a pedophile. One day investigators
snooping around in the judge's chambers found enough evidence to send
the
judge away to prison for a long time; i.e. kiddy porn stuff. Instead a
'key Justice Department person' (at the time, several years ago) sat
down
and had a chat with the judge. For years after that, anytime the
department
had a pornography through the mail case or they wanted to prosecute on
interstate pornography charges, or violations of the Mann Act or
similar,
guess which judge always somehow got the cases assigned to him. Guess
how
he always ruled. The IRS operates the same way. They find a federal
judge
who himself was -- to put it kindly -- lax and careless about properly
paying his own taxes. They have a little chat, and then they use that
judge for all their 'tax resistor' cases. Not bad, huh! PAT]
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From: cliffsch@netcom.com (Cliff Scheller)
Subject: Remote Monitoring With Pagers
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700
guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:20:55 GMT
Did you know that a PBX can send text messages to any Alpha Pager?
( ...alot of your other equipment can, too!)
AlphaSense is a standalone electronic product which is easily
connected to
many different types of equipment or machinery to provide an
unattended
monitoring function. When user-specified conditions occur, it
automatically
creates and delivers text messages to any alpha pager(s). A trusted
resource in many industries, it can also _selectively forward_ data
from your computerized or other automation devices to people's pagers.
Use it to monitor PBX's, CSU's, network servers, fire panels, HVAC
systems, water levels, machine operation, security systems, etc.
Internal "UPS" gives continued operation if power fails. Eight sensor
inputs, power fail/restore monitoring & self-test messages.
Plus, its RS-232 serial port connects to printers, computers and other
automation equipment. AlphaSense will monitor data streams, watching
for user-specified keywords. When received, they "trigger" AlphaSense,
and it can then forward data directly from your data source to Pagers!
Forward error messages, email, instructions, financial data, etc.
Dial-back mode for remote teleservice use, activity history log and
many other features!
For more info, send email to compuquest-request@netcom.com with
only these two lines as the message body:
SEND ASINFO
...or ftp to: ftp.netcom.com, in directory /ftp/pub/cl/cliffsch
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From: pajari@Faximum.COM (George Pajari)
Subject: Looking for Fax-Related URLs
Reply-To: faxfaq@Faximum.COM (FAQ Comments)
Organization: Faximum Software, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:35:32 GMT
The FAQ for comp.dcom.fax is currently being rewritten in HTML and
will shortly be available for Web browsing.
To assist with this it would be appreciated if readers could forward
to
faxfaq@faximum.com any interesting fax or telco related URLs for
inclusion
in the "hyperFAQ".
I am particularly interested in Home Pages and FTP sites for vendors
of modems, fax boards, fax equipment, and fax software.
Your assistance is much appreciated.
(Should you wish to browse the current, flat text version of the fax
FAQ, please see ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/fax-
faq/part1
and part2.)
Regards,
pajari@Faximum.COM -*- Editor of the comp.dcom.fax FAQ
George Pajari / Faximum Software / Tel: +1 (604) 925-3600 / Fax: ...
926-8182
1497 Marine Drive, Suite 300 / West Vancouver, BC / Canada V7T 1B8
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:17:01 EST
From: Steve Samler <steve@individual.com>
Subject: Considering Purchasing an IVR System From InterVoice
Does anyone have any experience with these people (good, bad or
indifferent)?
Has anyone negotiated a price with these folks recently? How far can
I push them on price?
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From: Marty Lawlor <mel@cci.com>
Subject: TNPP Standard Wanted
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc., D&OS
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 15:35:23 GMT
I have been unsuccessful locating a copy of the Telocator Network
Paging Protocol (TNPP) standard or specification. I believe it is
issued by POCSAG (Post Office Code Standards Advisory Group). This
may be a British organization.
I've called several standards jobbers (e.g., IHS) to no avail, and my
calls to Telocator: The Personal Communications Industry Assn have
gone unanswered.
This appears to be an ubiquitous (and, at least, American) de facto
standard for sending and receiving paging messages.
Any help in locating this would be greatly appreciated.
Marty Lawlor Northern Telecom
TEL: 716-654-2422 NET: mel@cci.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:58:40 EST
From: Stan Schwartz <stanschwartz-aviswizcom@e-mail.com>
Subject: CID Question
I have recently begun using TotalTel as a secondary LD carrier (by
signing up for secondary service and a calling card).
They had to add all the lines that I wanted to be able to access their
service (by using the 10081 prefix) before I was able to use them as a
secondary carrier.
One of the lines I added is in the 516-752 exchange, which has not
been
upgraded for CLASS (NYNEX PhoneSmart) services. Local (seven-digit)
calls from this number to CID-enabled areas of the LATA return "OUT OF
AREA" on the box on the receiving end.
HOWEVER ... if I dial 10081 + NPA + NXX + XXXX, the call is completed
with CID information provided at the receiving end! Any ideas on what
they are doing here?
On their 800 service, TotalTel also seems to translate the ANI of the
calling party and delivers it as CID information on the receiving end.
When I use their 800-number-access calling card, they also transmit
the ANI of the phone I'm calling from to CID at the other end. Kind
of neat, if you ask me!
Any thoughts on this?
Stan
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:27:47 -0500
From: Paul A. Lee </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com>
Organization: Woolworth Corporation
Subject: Re: Programmable Touch-Tone Interpreter Needed
In TELECOM Digest Volume 15 Issue 33, Jeffrey A. Porten
<jporten@mail1.
sas.upenn.edu> wrote (in part):
> I need help in coming up with a solution for a client. She wants to
> provide her incoming callers with a automated system that will allow
> them to schedule time with her by using a touch-tone phone, similar
to
> the system that Amtrak uses to tell people about the trains closest
to
> their selected travel time.
This is a description of 'classic' DTMF-driven interactive voice
response (IVR). Depending on the intricacy of the application(s), the
call volume to be handled, and the number of lines coming in, IVR can
run on anything from a $300 board in a PC up to large, proprietary,
multiprocessor boxes.
There are literally hundreds of manufacturers, integrators, software
developers, and VARs that do this for a living. Give some more details
on what call volume needs to be handled, what environment the system
must operate in, and what kind of budget you're working with, and I
should be able to point you in the right direction.
Paul A. Lee Voice 414 357-1409
Telecommunications Analyst FAX 414 357-1450
Woolworth Corporation CompuServe 70353,566
INTERNET </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com> <=PREFERRED
ADDRESS*
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 12:28:22 -0500
From: Paul A. Lee </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com>
Organization: Woolworth Corporation
Subject: Re: Small Business PBX/Fax Back Server Needed
In TELECOM Digest Volume 14 Issue 43, Jon Zeeff
<jon@server.branch.com>
wrote (in part):
> I'm looking for a PBX/Fax back/voice mail system that would do the
> following:
·
> Connect to approx 4 POTS lines for incoming calls and have various
> facilities when you call in.
> The more flexible and programmable, the better.
Check out the Dash Open Phone System. Dash is in Lenexa, KS; voice
phone is 800-844-7620 and Faxback is 913 888-7902.
Paul A. Lee Voice 414 357-1409
Telecommunications Analyst FAX 414 357-1450
Woolworth Corporation CompuServe 70353,566
INTERNET </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com> <=PREFERRED
ADDRESS*
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From: jjm@usa.net (John McDermott/J-K International Limited)
Subject: Flat Rate LD?
Date: 19 Jan 1995 12:23:07 -0700
Organization: Internet Express (800-592-1240 customer service)
In another newsgroup I recently saw an ad for US$149 for all the Long
Distance I could use in a month. That could be a lot if I used it for
an Internet connection ... are such offers legit? Does anyone use
such a service, particularly for modem calls?
I know that "If it sounds too good to be true ...", but I have seen
things like this before, so I thought I'd ask.
Thanks,
john jjm@jkintl.com
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That particular offer which you saw in
'another newsgroup' was very questionable. There were a number of
eyebrows
raised partly because of things to do with how payment was to be
tendered
each month, etc. You used to be able to get flat rate packages for
WATS
and IN-WATS from AT&T a number of years ago. You bought a certain
number
of hours per month at a set price, but it did not come in the range of
$149.00. Maybe AT&T still sells WATS in blocks of time, I don't know.
PAT]
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From: Mat Watkins <Mat.Watkins@vuw.ac.nz>
Subject: Information Needed on Cebit
Date: 19 Jan 1995 19:47:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New
Zealand.
Hi all,
I am wanting to go to Cebit this year. I have found out that it
starts on 8th March in Hanover but do not have any information on
registration etc.
Can anyboby help? Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Matt Victoria University of Wellington
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From: tjbarre@srv.PacBell.COM (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Format of Telephone Number/Fax Numbers in Germany, France, UK
Date: 19 Jan 1995 20:50:47 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell
I've been asked about the format of telephone numbers and fax numbers
in the three countries above ... specifically if fax numbers in these
countries have different numbers of digits than a phone number in the
same locale?
Thanks in advance for any assistance,
tjb
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From: producer@pipeline.com (Judith Oppenheimer)
Subject: Re: Attention: 800 Number Subscribers (News Alert)
Date: 19 Jan 1995 11:49:22 -0500
Organization: Interactive CallBrand(TM)
cmylod@nl.oracle.com (Colum Mylod) wrote:
> Dik.Winter@cwi.nl wrote:
>> Why would any European customer wish numbers like 800 THE CARD,
unless
>> they expect most of their traffic from the US?
>> In Europe letters are *not* used. And when they were used
assignment
>> was not identical to the US assignment. See the Telecom Archives
for
>> an article were I gave some European assignments.
> Ah but Dik, British Telecom intends to reintroduce letters in phone
> numbers (they've been on various phone units for a long while --
> imports mainly). Even in non-English Europe you'll see them back if
> for no other reason than introducing variety in freephone numbers.
> Currently a lot of European (monopoly) telcos issue patterned
numbers
> like <code> 123456 or 876 876 etc. Having letters ups the 'saleable"
> freephone number combinations.
Remember, too, that international freephone numbers will *co-exist*
with domestic toll-free numbers in the U.S..
So there will be 1 800 FLOWERS, and 011 800 FLOWERS, both of which can
be called and advertised within the United States, but which may reach
competing companies! (If not for European interest in these
opportunities,
grandfathering of U.S. numbers would not even be an issue.)
If the U.S. position, and U.S. Users Group Position, of grandfathering
existing U.S. 800 numbers is not aggressively supported by U.S. 800
subscribers, these companies will find they have a 50-50 chance of
winning -- or losing -- their branded number to a lottery, and
competition for the same customers and marketshare in the U.S., and
abroad.
> According to a brief glimpse I got at uk.telecom (is this available
> via listserv anyone?), BT will use the same letters-numbers pattern
as
> the Bell one but with Z added to the 9 key and Q on 0
The Q goes on the 7. The Z goes on the 9.
Judith Oppenheimer, Producer@Pipeline.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 23:19:09 GMT
From: Carl Moore <cmoore@ARL.MIL>
Subject: 91x (was: 911 Providers: Watch For 912 Calls)
sewilco@fieldday.mn.org (Scot E. Wilcoxon) writes:
> As has been reported before, some older switches will connect to 911
> when "91x" is dialed.
What areas would have this? Did this definition of 91x have to be
removed (except for 911) from some switches to accommodate N0X/N1X
prefixes? From what you have given me, I take it this problem might
still have to be considered in some places, even with area codes now
generalized.
Also, some area codes used the now-obsolete method of "area code +
seven digits" (no leading 1) to make long distance calls, and I take
it the above-mentioned switches did not occur in such areas. (For
example, 912-xxx-xxxx would have been used for calls to area 912 in
Georgia, and then 912 could not go to emergency services, barring some
messy timeout feature.)
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From: an904@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael King)
Subject: Re: New Area Codes Working From Toronto
Date: 20 Jan 1995 02:24:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an904@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael King)
In a previous article, cmoore@ARL.MIL (Carl Moore) says:
> So you were able to get a Seattle number from 360 directory
assistance.
> Maybe 360-555-1212 is at least temporarily being routed identically
to
> 206-555-1212.
As of this evening (Thursday 1/19), only AC 334 was dialable from both
metro Atlanta (western 'burbs) and within the city of Atlanta proper.
Neither 360 nor 630 is accessable -- I get a "you do not need an area
code" message from here for both area codes when trying to get
directory
assistance.
Michael King -- General Manager WIGO/AM - Atlanta
Morning Talk Show Host & Chief Cook & Bottle Washer
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From: wes.leatherock@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 20:03:15
Subject: Re: Looking up Addresses and Phone Number From Just Names
Quoting timb@europa.com (Tim Bach):
> I have a bunch of names I need addresses and phone numbers to.
> They are all mostly in the same local calling area. Is there a
> service or product I can buy that will allow me to take a ASCII
> file of names and have it try and lookup the addresses plus
> phone numbers?
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I don't know how many you think
> is a 'bunch', but unless it is really a lot, and you plan to do
> this on a frequent basis, why don't you ask the telco serving
> the local calling area for a copy of their directory. Most
> telcos will send it free of charge, or they may get some small
> handling/postage fee. Then you would sit there and look them up.
> After you have found all you can, then call AC-555-1212 for the
> (hopefully) few remaining names. PAT]
I would respectfully suggest that most telephone companies will
NOT give or send a directory free of charge; they haven't usually done
so since divestiture.
A biproduct, however, has been telephone directories on
microfiche.
I believe these were probably started -- or at least became popular --
when telephone companies stopped providing directories at no charge to
libraries.
The Oklahoma City Public Library used to have a very extensive
library of telephone directories from throughout the United States and
Canada, and pretty extensive coverage of the rest of the world.
They don't have those now, of course, since they can't afford
what it would cost (many thousand of dollars a month keeping them up
to date).
But they do have telephone directories from the United States
on microfiche, put out by a firm called University Microfilms, Inc.,
which I believe produces all kinds of useful microfiche.
The telephone directories on microfiche are available to all
users of the library at no charge, just like other materials, and
cover most of the United States (with the exception of some GTE
exchanges like the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater area).
Probably your library has those, too, and it would be quicker
and less hassle just to look them up there, unless your "bunch" is
really a huge number.
Wes Leatherock
wes.leatherock@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu
wes.leatherock@f2001.n147.z1.fidonet.org
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The Chicago Public Library has over a
hundred years of telephone directories from Chicago on microfilm put
out by the company you mentioned, University Microfilms of Ann Arbor,
Michigan. I don't know what connection they have with the University
of Michigan, if any. They also have the Haines Crisscross Directories
for Chicago going back about 40 years, and these can be very useful
tools when looking for people who were around long ago. CPL has all
the suburban phone books going back about 50-60 years also, both from
Illinois Bell and its predecessor Chicago Telephone Company as well as
Centel (which long ago was known as Central States Telephone Company.)
There used to be a publication called the 'Chicago City Directory' and
they have quite a few of those also from the past. Unfortunatly the
City Directory ceased publication in 1921. They have the actual 1921
book, but the years prior to that are on microfilm. PAT]
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Date: 19 Jan 1995 15:26:15 GMT
From: JIM BURKIT <CCMAIL.JBURKITT@A50VM1.TRG.NYNEX.COM>
Subject: Re: T1BBS Gone?
Mark Fraser asked:
> Pat:
> It's been a while since I last tried, but both of the net addresses
> 192.187.216.5 and ....3 don't return a ping, nor respond to
telnet/ftp
> respectively. Likewise, phone calls to the previously published
modem
> numbers don't give much satisfaction.
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, I'm afraid I cannot be much
help
> on this personally. Maybe others have the answer. PAT]
The Committee T1 BBS moved in October 1994. I guess Pat doesn't
remember all the articles that he publishes as he did publish one
notice of the move. When T1BBS was moved a number of improvements
were made. The biggest one was upgrading from 9.6 Kb to 56 Kb
internet access.
T1BBS is a BBS that committee T1 uses to help it develop standards.
Anyone that has a interest in the Telecommunications standards that we
develop is allowed to use the system. The primary system uses PCBoard
software with a mirrored unix ftp site.
You can access the system by:
modem +1 202-639-4469
telnet telnet.t1.org
ftp ftp.t1.org
www www.t1.org (under construction)
The system operator can be reached at sysop@t1.org.
Note in the above site names that the number 1 is used not the letter
l.
I hope this helps.
Jim Burkitt T1X1 Chair
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No, unfortunatly I cannot nearly begin
to
remember all the articles which are published here unless I use the
index
to search through the titles, etc. PAT]
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